Dark Places: Between the Lines Book Club
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I’m really excited to linking up with Anne and Kristyn for the first ever Between the Lines book club link up! I love to read, obviously, so I was so excited for this! I purchased a used copy of Dark Places right after I read Gone Girl (you can see my recommendations for more books like Gone Girl right here!), which I absolutely loved. The novel has been sitting on my shelf for a long time, so I had already added it to my To Be Read Challenge for 2015! Multiple birds with one stone!

WARNING: SPOILERS

Here are the discussion questions:

1. Libby became famous as a victim—how do you think this strange fame effected her?
The strange fame made Libby kind of lazy. I think that she can’t get over the strangeness of being known as “that girl,” so she doesn’t really move on with her life. Her comments about being jealous of another girl who was burned around the same time, because it caused her to get fewer donations is messed up. But, on the other hand, she embraces strange things in a way that a person who didn’t get famous in the strange way. Attending a Kill Club meeting, especially as a key witness in a murder that the people are interested in. She has reservations, but she does embrace it eventually.

2. What do you think of Patty Day as a mother? Is she doing the best she can, or is she making excuses for herself?
I think that Patty is doing the best she could possibly do. Obviously, she made a bad decision by marrying Runner, but it only snowballed from there. She married him and kept on having kids. Although, she could have left him out sooner, I don’t think that kicking him out would have been effective. He was a constant drifter and she couldn’t get rid of him, anyway. She was never going to leave her own farm because it belonged to her parents. The only sure way to get rid of Runner would have been to take the kids and move away, which would have meant leaving her sister. Leaving would have also been hard because she had no employable skill. She could not have moved and raised four children without a skill-set. I do think that she took the coward’s way out of her problem, though. It would have been embarrassing to lose the farm, but she would have still had her family. She would have had to find a new way to live, but there would have been financial assistance made available to her, as a mother of four kids with no income. It is easy to say that she should have acquired some type of skill when the farm started going south, but she was also trying to take care of four children. I don’t think that she could have physically gone to school or learned a new trade, continued to try to make an income, plus take care of a brooding teenager and three young girls.

3. Why do you think the author chose to set the murders on a farm? What images and themes does the heartland and farming evoke?
Farms are remote, which lends them an air of creepiness. Flynn spends a lot of time discussing the house, and while the house wouldn’t exactly be considered another character in the novel, like a typical Gothic novel, it is important! The farm/house, which is dilapidated and falling apart, is the homebase for all action. The juxtaposition of images of a gruesome murder next to the idea of “America’s Heartland,” which is supposed to be innocent and wholesome, creates even more tension in the novel. Flynn focuses on the seedy underbelly and poverty in the heartland, which is usually romanticized as an ideal place to raise a family.

Most importantly, Truman Capote’s novel In Cold Blood, which is a classic, landmark novel and first true crime story, is about murders that take place on a farm in Kansas in 1959. Capote could have written about any murders, but the remoteness of the family from the rest of society, also in America’s Heartland, and the brutality of the crime, like in Dark Places, is a more intriguing story. I don’t think Flynn chose the farm murders on accident because the parallels between Dark Places and In Cold Blood are strong. Flynn, though, inverts the affluent farming family of In Cold Blood and replaces it with the poverty stricken Day family. The murders in In Cold Blood are motivated by criminals who are looking for cash. Similarly, the theories about the Day family murders throughout the book are usually centered around a hypothesis that someone was looking for cash, even in the poor family’s home.

Furthermore, I don’t think it’s a coincidence that a lot of horror films are set on farms or in remote locations. The first example that I can think of is The Stranger, which focuses on a young couple being murdered in a very isolated vacation home. Again, the idea of a vacation home is like the idea of the heartland. It’s supposed to be a respite from the chaos and violence of city life.

4. What do you believe in Diondra’s motivation throughout the story? Does her relationship with Ben change him?
Diondra ruins Ben’s life, without a doubt. She’s manipulative and cruel. She preys on the younger person, Ben, and uses him. I could never tell if she had a clear plan in mind when she began to take advantage of him, or if she was only toying with him to boost her self esteem, but she makes her both her manipulation and cruelty quite clear by the end of the novel. Ben was a drifting teenager, who was trying to find his place in life. He already felt humiliated by being the school janitor, poor, and having a father who was a known drug dealer. Diondra continues to humiliate him, yet he will do whatever she wants for brief moments of praise or sex.

I doubt she knew who the real father of her child was, but once she saw how she could use Ben by claiming that it was his, she latched onto that story. For 20+ years, she continued to manipulate Ben, who was still just a child, emotionally. I don’t think prison ever gave him the chance to grow up more than physically.

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  • I kept thinking of In Cold Blood, but that’s another book I started years ago and never finished so I couldn’t really remember what happened, other than that it took place on a farm. It was crazy to be that Diondra was still so cruel and manipulative towards Ben even 25 years later. I think it’s when Libby comes and Diondra says that prison is good for Ben because he’s popular in there– it’s like she still pities him.

    • I haven’t read it, but I have it on my Audible, waiting on me. I just learned about it during some class in college! Diondra had to be the craziest person!

  • This is one of the books on my to-read list! I love Gone Girl, actually finishing it up right now, and the movie takes place in my old town! Someone suggested this one to me after I told them I loved reading Gone Girl so far. Going back to school, I feel guilty “reading for fun/pleasure,” but I’m trying to make sure that I set aside a few times each week to read. So far only 2 down, though. The prompts and your feedback make it sound so interesting!

    • You should definitely read it! It was definitely worth the read. Not as innovative as Gone Girl, but good!

  • I did think about the similarities between this book and In Cold Blood. In Cold Blood was one of the first books that made me want to be a writer. So good.

    Did you see they are making this in to a movie next year? With Charlize Theron as Libby? I’m not sure how I feel about that choice. She’s almost too pretty. But I guess they can make her less pretty.

    • Well, Charlize Theron did get “ugly” for that one movie where she won an oscar, right? Maybe that’s why they picked her! (I never saw that movie…). I think that she wouldn’t need to gain weight, just maybe wear an ugly wig and forget the make up!

  • I’m loving that everyone is saying Patty was doing the best she could as a mother. I completely agree with that- even if I hopefully wouldn’t let that be my best personally… She was definitely a victim of circumstance.

  • This is actually my favorite Gillian Flynn book! I hated Libby, though. You make a lot of good points about her character in the first discussion question. Personally, I enjoyed reading the flashback chapters so much more than Libby’s present-day chapters.

    • Yeah, the the flashbacks were really interesting. I guess it was more interesting to look at the day leading up to the murder than her figuring it out.

  • I love Gillian Flynn books! And this one was no exception.

  • I need to read In Cold Blood. It’s not currently on my list, but it is now.

    • (It’s on my Audible waiting to be listened to! I just heard professors talk about it/mention it in passing. I really hope to get to it soon!)

  • And now I’ve got to add In Cold Blood to my reading list.

    • It’s on my Audible waiting to be listened to! I just heard professors talk about it/mention it in passing. I really hope to get to it soon!

  • I love your answers! Wow! I was so disturbed by Libby’s jealousy over the girl that was burned and the girl that was missing…that really bothered me. I often wondered if Ben was the father of the baby too…Diondra was like a cat toying with Ben/little mouse and he kept taking it. I didn’t like her at all!

    • Yes! She would toy with him and he would do anything for the smallest bit of affection. In fact, the more mean she was to him, the better the “good” times seemed.

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